Why is Honda making these expensive gas guzzlers? 1980s Honda Accord Wagon was fine, why…?

…Not make some thing like that.
Looks like American executives of GM, Ford, Chrysler moved over to Honda. Why can’t Honda make slightly larger vehicle than Toyota Matrix, built on Accord platform. Did Honda forget that their fuel efficiency is what made them popular when they first got started long back, gas…

According to the U.S. Government, Honda’s Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) is still favorable to that of other auto makers. The latest data I have from the NHTSA website lists Honda as the most economical car company, on average, of all models available in the U.S.

This is 2004 data – the latest available on their site, but give the following information:

Honda Motor Company
Import CAFE: 37.4 MPG
Domestic CAFE: 31.1 MPG
Light Truck (Includes SUVS) CAFE: 24.5 MPG

The next best company is (not surprisingly) Toyota:
Import CAFE: 32.2 MPG
Domestic CAFE: 33.7 MPG
Light Truck (Includes SUVS) CAFE: 22.7 MPG

Only the domestically-produced models from Toyota have a slightly higher average fuel economy than Honda’s domestic offerings (such as the Accord, which is made in Ohio). They may now have a slight edge overall, thanks to the introduction of several new hybrid models, but Honda is still a leader in almost all categories.

Furthermore, fuel economy has actually improved since the late 1980s. For example, in 1987, Honda’s CAFE for all of the vehicles it sold then was 33.2. This does not compare favorably to the 37.4 they had in 2004, for imported models. If their overall ratings have slipped, it’s because they didn’t make SUVs then.

The data for model years since 1978 is available at the link given.

There is nothing wrong with Honda, they are building what the market is asking for. Although they do have some bigger vehicles that don’t get great mileage (Pilot and Ridgeline), they are still making smaller economical cars like the Fit and Insight, and Civic and Accord are still very competitive from a price and economy standpoint.

Basically they cover it all – you want high mileage you can buy a Fit, Civic, or Insight, if you want a nice compromise between size and economy, get an Accord (with the 4 it still gets over 30 on the highway), and if you want an SUV, minivan or pickup, they’ve got those too.

Good question.

Maybe they will learn from Toyota’s mistakes.

Who thought that Toyota would have The Rav4 (even this cute ute grew to have a v6), Highlander, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, Sequoia, Tundra, Tacoma…and I guess the Land Cruiser got the axe for the Sequoia already a few years ago?

Oh, wait, looking at Toyota’s vehicle selector, the big Land Cruiser IS still around. Wow.

Honda is not that bad yet. Pilot and Ridgeline are about all they have that can be a gas “guzzler”.

Honda did make something bigger than a Matrix.It’s called the Honda “Crosstour”.A hatchback version of the Accord sedan equipped with a very tasty V-6 getting 29 MPG.The Accord ex and lx are both available with a 177 hp or 190 hp in-line fours getting 31 mpg.Value added cars are the name of the Honda game,no junk sold here!!

You never heard of the insight or civic hybrid? They are still building fuel efficiant cars. They are also building what people want, and the in thing right now is crossovers.
Also there was no accord wagon in the 80s

go do some reading up on these “gas guzzlers” you will find that even though they are large vehicles they are very fuel efficient for their class. for example the ridgeline has an aluminum unibody structure that makes it light weight as well as fuel efficient. as far as i know this is the only unibody truck/suv on the market. don’t underestimate honda they are always innovating and improving.

Stop pumping the gas pedal. That’s why your spark plugs are soaked with fuel. Make sure you get the correct oil level before trying to start it again. You might have to crank over and over to get rid of all that excess fuel in the combustion chamber. Don’t ever crank more than 10 seconds at a time.

People where complain there cars where slow so they slowly raised the hp using a bigger engine.

Many of these new engines get good gas mileage compered to previous same size engines in 90s and make more hp and meet the new emissions standards.

Because that’s what people either want, or think they want, or are so insecure they buy more car than they need.

Plus the manu. and dealer profits are much higher on the larger cars. They’d much rather sell one big car than three small ones.

You build what sells and shows a profit.

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