Spiritually Speaking, Why is it that Catholics…?

Can never quote book, chapter, verse of canonical scripture that conclusively supports Catholic-only doctrine, but it is easy to quote book, chapter, book that conclusively contradicts their doctrine?

go to a few sparse, inconclusive verses in the Apocrypha to support Catholic-only doctrine when the Apocrypha…

There is not one single doctrine of the Catholic Church that contradicts Scripture in any way as it is discerned from Scripture.

I think that you have perhaps confused the apocrypha for the Deuterocanonical books. The Apocryphal books were banned by Pope St. Gelasius in the fifth century.The Deuterocanonicals were in the original Old Testament accepted by Christians and in fact it is quoted by Jesus and the New Testament writers. Theologians agree in great measure that the Greek Septuagint was the Old Testament used by the first century Church. It can be proved in Scriptures. The early Church never rejected the Deuterocanonicals but instead embraced the Septuagint which contained them. There is absolutely no evidence of the Catholic Church being a “spin-off” but instead all evidence prove that it is the original Church founded by Jesus and the disciples. Certainly the Church did not “add” to the Bible but accepted the Old Testament used by our Lord and His disciples.

How many statements do you have to hear from our Lord before you believe His Words. Why is it necessary for our Lord to say the word “Pope”? Is it not enough to recognize his leadership by the fact that the Pope is the figure prophesied by the prophet Isaiah to be the prime minister of our Lord in Christ’s perfected Judaism. For your information, when Jesus says it then it is NOT made up. The Church represented by the Bishops and Apostles were given all authority on earth by our Lord Himself. You can disbelieve Him to your eternal peril.

The greatest miracle of the apostles and their successors is the gathering of Christ’s flock so that they may receive the grace of God for all eternity. God bless!

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

Because Catholic beliefs don’t *have* to be supported by the Bible.

And the deuterocanonicals were part of the Bible historically. Three of the books were found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls.

As for the Pope, he is the bishop of Rome, and you DO find the word “bishop” in the Bible. Also, Catholics do believe that apostolic succession was set up when Jesus told Peter “upon this rock, I will build My Church”, right after renaming Peter “rock.”

I am not Catholic, BTW. I actually used to be moderately anti-Catholic until just a little over a year ago, which is when I started studying Catholicism from the viewpoint of Catholics. Maybe you should do the same.

I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. (John 16:12-13)

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2)

The Catholic Church does not use Holy Scripture as the only basis of doctrine. It could not. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time that the New Testament was written.

There were hundreds of Christian writings during the first and second centuries. Which New Testament writings would become official was not fully decided until about 400 C.E.

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is guiding the church today) to make the correct choices about things like:
• The Holy Trinity (which is also only hinted at in the Bible)
• Going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
• The Communion of Saints
• Which writings include in the New Testament?

Things that are even more modern like
• Slavery is bad. Slavery is never declared evil in the Bible. This was one of the justifications for slavery in the Confederate States.
• Democracy is good. The Bible states that either God should be the leader of the nation like Israel before the kings or kings should be the leader, “Give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” This was talked about a lot during the American Revolution.

This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.

Do Christians who do not allow the continuing guiding force of the Holy Spirit to make their beliefs more and more perfect, still endorse slavery as Colossians 3:22 commands, “Slaves, obey your human masters in everything”?

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 80 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s…

With love in Christ.

Sage, I am sure you refer to the ‘christian’ group of the Protestants. I agree with you.

And you Asker, I feel sorry for you. You do not know anything of Catholicism. Start your Catholic 101 by studying the origin of the bible and Christianity itself and you see the light at the end of the tunnel.
It start like this: With some 50 million members, the Roman Catholic church is much the largest religious organization in America. Yet at the time of the American Revolution, there were only a few American Catholics: mostly people from Spanish and French colonies, along with a handful of English-speaking Catholics who lived mainly in the Middle Colonies, especially Maryland.

Peter is the Rock on which the Church is Built
Peter has the Keys of Authority over the Earthly Kingdom, the Church
Peter’s Keys and Papal Succession
The Primacy of Peter in Scripture


Name ONE part of scripture that contradicts Catholic theology, please.

Matthew 16. Jesus told Simon (now known as St. Peter), “You are ‘Rock,’ and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” “Rock” is very significant here: Kepha (Petra/Peter) means “Rock” in English. Why would Jesus change Simon’s name to “Rock” if it was not significant? The only way “Rock” was ever used as a name before was for God himself, and it was a special name for God. For Jesus to give Peter the name reserved for God is very significant. It means Peter was granted special authority. This is re-defined in Acts 2:24 when it was described how Peter was freed from the grip of hell and death because he had special authority.

Jesus went even further with Peter. In the old testament the “number two” person in heaven was the one to hold the keys. Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, making him the “number two” person. Peter was told to declare everything on earth that was heaven bound and everything on earth that was hell bound.

What else could Peter be? Jesus specifically said He was building his church on this “Rock.” He was building his church with Peter. Peter was always mentioned first among the apostles and it was clear that he always spoke for the apostles: Mt. 18:21; Mk. 8:28; Lk. 12:41; Jn. 6:69.

2 Thessalonians 2:15:
“So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.”

There is more that we are to hold firm to than just the Bible. Does Paul not say here that we need to hold firm to the traditions taught to us by “spoken word,” not just by letter? There is much that is very important in the Church that is not recorded in the Bible. Apostolic Tradition is the traditions taught from Jesus and Peter themselves that we must continue to do.

2 John 1:12
2 Tim 3:14-17
2 Tim 2:2
1 Cor 11:2

Leaving aside all of your hysterical. . .I mean, historical inaccuracies, what’s it to you? You act as if Catholics are obligated to conform to your take on Christianity, when the truth (the historically accurate truth this time) is that we’ve been around a lot longer than you Protestants.

If anybody’s got the right to call a fellow Christian on the carpet and lambaste them for their errors and heresies, it would be Catholics taking YOU to task for hacking up the Catholic-compiled Bible to fit your doctrines. Most of us are pretty tolerant folks, however, and we leave the judging of our fellow Christians to the only One Who has that right — the Almighty God.

Of all the things that you’ve stolen from Catholic Christianity, tolerance and avoiding the sin of presumption are the only two that you didn’t bother to take with you when you left. But given that Protestantism began as an act of rebellion against the lawful spiritual authority of the Catholic Church, that comes as no big surprise.

Especially not to those of us who deal with your brand of arrogance and ignorance on a daily basis around this Forum.

The one true Church established by Christ is the Catholic Church.

Christianity has been split into over 38,000 different denominations, sects and cults setting christian against christian and christians against everyone else!!

God’s work? Hardly!!

Why is christianity so split and hostile to other beleivers within their own faith?!!

It must be the Devil and the Antichrist working together to divide, conquer and destroy believersity from the inside!!!

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